* Connecting as joannageary * Joined joannageary's chat room _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: please come in with comments and questions! _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: hi _______________________________________________________________ Podnosh: hi _______________________________________________________________ (a) domster: Hello _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: hi phil _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: hi jo _______________________________________________________________ catnip: hello _______________________________________________________________ (a) domster: Video isn't really streaming well here. Is this being recorded? _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: hear ok? _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: its ok to me _______________________________________________________________ Podnosh: i can _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: weak 3g _______________________________________________________________ (a) domster: Gonna try a refresh _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: ok domster _______________________________________________________________ Podnosh: how do you decide which ideas are just fanciful? _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: all ok sttill? _______________________________________________________________ Podnosh: yes thanks _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: lol _______________________________________________________________ catnip: yep _______________________________________________________________ (a) domster: Soundless here. Is this being recorded at all? _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: yes _______________________________________________________________ (a) anonymous: just realised they're drinking pints :) _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: it will be archived _______________________________________________________________ (a) domster: Cool. I'll catch the details later. _______________________________________________________________ catnip: refreshing helped me earlier to pick up sound _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: hi _______________________________________________________________ Podnosh: hi jon _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: hi orangejon _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: ooh, this is like a proper TV interview... but with beer _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: how odd _______________________________________________________________ (a) anonymous: so, is this at the university (where the geotag says) - who are there people? _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: questions welcome :) _______________________________________________________________ Podnosh: ill there be adverts? _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: www.sxswm.com explains all _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: she's good. _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: I want to hear more about Stef's "social media for social good" theme _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: what do the other guys make of that? _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: there's a time delay please tell me the quotes you're responding to _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: quotes? I wasn't replying to a quote... _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: hey orange. _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: just what Stef's been banging on about _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: i blogged about ya coworking. _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: phil was tho _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: generally _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: me? _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: and anon _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: yeah, thanks for your comment phil _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: i never said anything. _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: £she's good" _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: oh. _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: with the posting] _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: Ruth? _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: and updates _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: I replied (on my blog - yours needs registering and boring stuff like that) _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: asking for stuff etc _______________________________________________________________ Podnosh: shush I'm trying to listen _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: it's good as a interactive thing _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: ? _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: get over yaself podnosh _______________________________________________________________ Podnosh: sorry phil - forget to add :-) _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: np. _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: now chaps play nice ;) _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: yeah, maybe the technology is maturing, basically _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: the teenagers calmed down finally.. _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: and so how are you doing that? _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: lol. _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: yup, twitter is only used by geeks _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: basically _______________________________________________________________ paulswansen: Interesting observation... _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: hey paul! _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: hi Paul _______________________________________________________________ paulswansen: hello _______________________________________________________________ paulswansen: was watching your carpet earlier... _______________________________________________________________ paulswansen: phil _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: lol _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: yeah showing a friend _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: he is gonna be signing up soon _______________________________________________________________ Podnosh: social hysteria is a problem for realistic applications _______________________________________________________________ paulswansen: is everyone in the room on twitter? _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: yes _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: yup, of course _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: that's how we know this is happening _______________________________________________________________ paulswansen: ok, wondering about the conversation. _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: go check up www.sxswm.com for more details _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: nice paparazzi moves, Stef _______________________________________________________________ paulswansen: wondering what people in the room are using at home instead of twitter... _______________________________________________________________ paulswansen: yes, the chat room in bambusers is an issue... _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: i aint got anything to hide _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: :) _______________________________________________________________ catnip: people know that Twitter is public _______________________________________________________________ Pishba: hello joanna, phil _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: corporate business is scared of losing control. period _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: kol, Stef's twitter about carrying £3k through birmingham was classic _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: pishba!!! _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: mwah _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: :) _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: hope that wasn't live _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: I think somebody should be reading out some of our messages _______________________________________________________________ catnip: people have to learn what is public and what isn't _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: I feel like a fly on a wall _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: while your talking about privacy, another ice shelf melts. _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: 1million people are _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: oops, sorry _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: but twitter are moving that game, check the video on the frontpage. _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: live? _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: phew _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: he's not THAT stupid then _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: :) _______________________________________________________________ bounder: outlook does that _______________________________________________________________ catnip: we need to develop two brain streams, public and private _______________________________________________________________ Podnosh: for many it increases the volume of trivia _______________________________________________________________ catnip: if people put personal details in a public arena, more fool them _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: I wonder how anybody will get any work done when everyone's on Twitter _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: the government gives away our details on the backseats of cars so i am so far past privacy issues. _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: it's enough of a distraction for me just from a handful of ubergeeks _______________________________________________________________ catnip: oj: people will get bored of it eventually just like anything else _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: understand that orange, it's about self control on that score. _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: hey, they're talking about us :) _______________________________________________________________ (a) anonymous: and the stuff that Dave Winer is doing with twitter - allows photos and audio to be 'tweeted' _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: being your own personal pa. _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: to sort it. _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: hmm, maybe _______________________________________________________________ paulswansen: yes, phil on being our own personal privacy advocate _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: I don't think the UIs support it though _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: most people are overloaded enough already with email, let alone adding twitters, blogs etc. _______________________________________________________________ catnip: non-geeks won't have anything interesting to say ;-) _______________________________________________________________ Podnosh: @catnip cheeky _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: or act as a quality filter? _______________________________________________________________ paulswansen: more for breaking news rather than "developing news" stories. _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: quality is hard. _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: because something is content to someone _______________________________________________________________ (a) anonymous: none of my friends are into twitter - the closest I have is using twitferfeed to get their facebook statuses tweeted as they're like tweets _______________________________________________________________ catnip: well we all have a handful of friends on say Facebook who say interesting stuff, but loads of people who spout the usual boring stuff _______________________________________________________________ catnip: statuses I mean _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: facebook has one use. getting a lot of eyeballs to look at stuff. _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: that's it. _______________________________________________________________ Podnosh: it sounds like the networks excites but much content is nonsense _______________________________________________________________ catnip: yeah, Facebook Fatique, bored of it already _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: I'm just publishing some survey findings about facebook fatigue _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: it's my current topic of research _______________________________________________________________ catnip: it's about the people and the content not the meduim _______________________________________________________________ catnip: interesting people have interesting things to say whatever the technology _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: I'm looking at how user interface design can assist with social information overload _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: ) _______________________________________________________________ catnip: Facebook is good for events and statuses _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: not true _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: most people don't use twitter _______________________________________________________________ Podnosh: it wont _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: why will it? _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: completely disagree with that _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: like what? _______________________________________________________________ Podnosh: bottom burp _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: some people live tech, some people talk about it _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: ???? _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: somebody ask stef WHY? _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: why _______________________________________________________________ paulswansen: many apps removed from my FB activiey. _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: go up... _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: my friends are on Facebook, only geeks are on twitter _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: lol orange. _______________________________________________________________ catnip: so far _______________________________________________________________ (a) anonymous: I think the medium can also give people ideas about what they can 'say'. Before Facebook I didn't have any ways of seeing what events my friends are going to, what photos they have (and their comments on them), their statuses. _______________________________________________________________ (a) anonymous: the medium has given them something to say _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: ok, pete is more persuasive but still, walled gardens have their advantages _______________________________________________________________ (a) (a) anonymous:: facebook paved the way _______________________________________________________________ paulswansen: FB apps, many don't work, and have little long term usage. _______________________________________________________________ (a) anonymous: sorry - my name is Richard (just popped in and will be going soon). _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: like aggregating all the news from your friends: trying to get the stuff you're interesting from 101 RSS feeds is hard _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: and sticking it in one unstructured feed of tosh doesn't help _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: dont go richard _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: :) _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: maybe that's a geek thing, though? _______________________________________________________________ paulswansen: Facebook isn't progressing... _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: I think most people don't care as long as it works _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: maybe jon _______________________________________________________________ (a) anonymous: hehe - I'd love to stay and I think I'll be coming back here - you all seem to have interesting things to say. _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: ... and I'm not sure "early adopters" are just ahead of the curve, they're a different breed _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: lol _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: ie. early adopter = geek _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: i'm not a different breed at all _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: basically _______________________________________________________________ catnip: she needs to persuade other people to use it _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: breed is wrong word _______________________________________________________________ Podnosh: loads of us were bemused by twitter at first _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: organized, selective, nosey. maybe _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: breed is the wrong word _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: I'm still bemused by Twitter _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: I couldn't even find the "Follow" button for ages _______________________________________________________________ catnip: yeah, it was only when I knew a minimum no of people using it that it became useful _______________________________________________________________ catnip: I gave up on my first try _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: i was actually using it for something else _______________________________________________________________ Podnosh: me too _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: even very technical friends couldn't work out how to control SMS updates _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: i used it for a taxi rank system. _______________________________________________________________ Podnosh: how phil? _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: one central location, sending updates to taxis to save on txts _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: name dropping sites will die soon. _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: :) _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: ooo _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: jo nearly. _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: :) _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: it's good to see her reaction _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: you were gonna type but did'nt. _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: my reaction?! _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: i see that wry smile. _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: :) _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: ahhhhhh _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: camera never lies. _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: this is all great.. _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: but how ya gonna change ya community then _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: :) _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: you wait when flickr does video _______________________________________________________________ (a) anonymous: my friends don't know what flickr is _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: you friends need to go out more. _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: flickr is too complicated _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: my mum is on flickr _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: wrong. _______________________________________________________________ bounder: video will be the worst mistake flickr could make _______________________________________________________________ catnip: flickr is easy _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: my mum is 65 _______________________________________________________________ (a) anonymous: they don't want to use flickr because facebook does photos and it all links in together _______________________________________________________________ catnip: and clean _______________________________________________________________ bounder: my dad is on flickr _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: no bounder. wrong. _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: :) _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: it's hard to explain to people even how to find the "big version" of photos on Flickr _______________________________________________________________ (a) anonymous: and they can tag themselves and eachother _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: well maybe instead of just talking about this stuff we should be educating people _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: so the rest can come with us _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: yeah, tagging is important _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: very important _______________________________________________________________ bounder: photos and video are really different things _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: lol. _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: ok. _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: i never knew. _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: I don't see people-tagging happening outside facebook? _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: ruth nick and i have been educated by sxsw _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: by sxsw _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: question for you s?gu _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: guys _______________________________________________________________ Podnosh: they irritate me - but i don't use it simply for fun _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: I think it's good that there are applications, but I'll still find out about the useful ones via my friends _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: I mean, when they actually personally recommend them _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: exactly _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: what Pete says ;) _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: we have a mystic connection you know _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: orange from brum too _______________________________________________________________ catnip: bad apps are just like bad sites that the uninitiated look at on the web _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: I wasn't invited :( _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: ;) _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: next time jon :) _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: I hope so :) _______________________________________________________________ catnip: creative people are more open minded, in traditional industries, people are precious about their knowledge _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: thanks Pete _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: wise words _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: ;) _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: social circles work for me because i credit and appricate people. _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: roll call. people still here? _______________________________________________________________ catnip: yep _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: I am _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: :) _______________________________________________________________ bounder: although hollyoasks is on in a bit ;) _______________________________________________________________ catnip: getting hungry tho! _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: what's stef photographing, his groin? _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: iphone _______________________________________________________________ bounder: zoom lens... _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: oh, right _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: dont know why _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: social media for social good? _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: any question before we end? _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: social media is two way _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: the only mention i got from jo in her blog was getting her in for drinks for seesmic meal. _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: i've learnt from that. _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: :) _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: charmed _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: you've been mentioned alot in conversation _______________________________________________________________ (a) domster: got a general idea about trying to promote independant companies/artists in the area, but its a long issue. Will probably blog it later _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: it's not about that i mean. we will talk. _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: sixball was blogging about this last night... http://simonhammond.com/blog/2008/03/26/advertising-for-non-dummies/ _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: and if you're offended i will correct _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: no. _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: just i think you missing crucial social stuff _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: that helped me _______________________________________________________________ philcampbell: over the last year _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: he was asking what will fund social media startups, basically, when ads don't work _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: stef pre-empted _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: simon hammond's blog _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: I mean, it was simon hammond's blog post I was referring to _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: targetted advertising based on your personal info is slightly freaky _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: adverts in your GMail is scary enough _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: how about paying for changes? _______________________________________________________________ bounder: @orangejon, i naturally zone them out - are they goos? _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: ie. paying for features you really want? _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: (really want implemented I mean) _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: me, me _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: what do people think about paying for features to be implemented? _______________________________________________________________ bounder: would you rather have ads for things you definatley don't want? _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: ie. directly funding the development of the site _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: which also means that people don't want so much they'll pay for them won't get implemented, which is probably a good thing _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: * features that people... _______________________________________________________________ bounder: find me cool ads and I _want_ them - advertising just has to get better _______________________________________________________________ chrisunitt: just arrived, hi guys _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: I'll re-phrase the question: "Would people pay for features to be implemented that they think are missing from a new social media startup site?" _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: the idea would be to implement the very core idea, then get users to pay for additional features _______________________________________________________________ chrisunitt: do you think that the (reported) lack of business types at SXSW was a good or bad thing? _______________________________________________________________ emily quinton: Sorry had to sign-up and log-in but just to say my targeted ads on facebook are bringing me lots of new clients! Sorry guys! _______________________________________________________________ joannageary: looking forward to reading that out emily :) _______________________________________________________________ emily quinton: ;-) _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: erm? _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: no, not really _______________________________________________________________ chrisunitt: like Picnik (until recently) _______________________________________________________________ bounder: like crack _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: lol @ bounder :) _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: people who want to make money? _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: ;) _______________________________________________________________ (a) anonymous: ... _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: does that mean there's no money in social media, like Stef says? _______________________________________________________________ chrisunitt: would your livers last? _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: yeah, taking geek ideas to non-geeks is a good test _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: not sure whether film guys are "down to earth", but still _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: lets vote on them stef! _______________________________________________________________ chrisunitt: Stef, put the list on your site, let your readers choose the priority _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: vote for which gets blogged first _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: yup _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: collective stupidity? ;) _______________________________________________________________ bounder: knew an "Imagination Engineer" once... _______________________________________________________________ chrisunitt: Eyebrow Engineer _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: lol _______________________________________________________________ bounder: yeah, more plucking less talking _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: thanks guys, that was really great _______________________________________________________________ chrisunitt: yeah, thanks everyone _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: really enjoyed it _______________________________________________________________ catnip: thanks all _______________________________________________________________ emily quinton: Thank you! _______________________________________________________________ orangejon: look forward to meeting you at the Bloggers meet on monday _______________________________________________________________